Ageism – A Radical Lesbian Feminist Perspective

Ageism

A Radical Lesbian Feminist Perspective 

Bev Jo

Do not name me against my will. Do not presume to know how I want to be named without asking me. Do not call me “elder,” “elderly,” “geriatric,” or “crone.” Do not assume that naming me in a category as different from yourself is flattering. Do not assume that I agree to be part of the mainstream ageist and heterosexist separation of females. Ageism is one of the many ways that patriarchy divides women from each other.

Wouldn’t it be better to make all Lesbians and women welcome and have truly inclusive and diverse Lesbian communities without driving anyone away by “othering” and oppressing her?

Similarly, do not call me “cis” or “cunt.” Even the feminist/Wiccan “maiden, mother, crone” is based on sexism and heterosexism – pre-fucked, currently fucked, post-fucked – all identities associated with bonding with men, with no recognition of females who say no to men and to male rules and patriarchy. I do not agree to any of it. My identity is based on being a Lesbian.

Aren’t all old women oppressed enough without doing it in the name of feminism? Why categorize one group of females from another except to divide us? Yes, we may measure and treasure our ways of being different from the mainstream. But ask first before those of you with privilege dare to call us names. Do not patronize us.

A name I particularly hate is “young lady.”  When I was a girl, pompous feminine teachers told us they would force us to be “young ladies,” which meant trying to destroy our natural, wild girl selves. Being yourself means falling in love with other girls and forming communities, like my friends and I did in our all-girls’ high school. Some girls rolled around wrestling on the floor. Not “ladylike.” A few of us refused to obey those ridiculous rules that restricted our movements, minds and freedom. How terrible for a girl to take up space, stand and walk grounded and with pride. Mincing and wriggling while walking is not natural. Holding in your body while males are encouraged to take up space is training for girls to be obedient servants, victims, and rape bait. All aspects of male-defined femininity are devised to separate females’ bodies from our minds and spirits.  “Lady” is also classist, with its origins in English aristocracy. It is especially insulting to any female who refuses male rules to be feminine, such as Butches.

Men use “young lady” to patronize us, as if they expect us to giggle in gratitude for calling us “young.” If you object, they act as if you are insulting them. But they expect themselves to be addressed in ways that gives them respect and dignity.

I am not even that old at 61, and I don’t feel very different from how I’ve always felt. You don’t make a decision to become old. It just happens. So it will happen to everyone, if they live long enough. It is therefore in all women’s interest that old females be treated with respect and equality.

Perhaps that is part of what causes ageism: the fear of becoming old – so you try to make distance and end up objectifying old women. It’s not even that patriarchy is consistently youth-worshipping, because some old men are given the most respect, ruling countries, deciding the fate of everyone else. Actors in their eighties are called “handsome,” while old women are made to feel ugly, unwanted, and even monstrous. There are so many media portrayals of old women as dangerous, fairy tale nightmares, while it is rich old white men who are literally destroying the earth.

Old women are hated, instead of being appreciated for what we’ve learned, and what we can teach. Sadly, some women even say they want to become men in order to avoid becoming “old women.”

The most ageism I’ve gotten as a Radical Lesbian Feminist writer has been from the trans cult – the men who appropriate Lesbian identity and use ageism to discount and erase my and Janice Raymond’s and Mary Daly’s and other radical politics by calling us “dinosaurs.” They talk as if their ideas are new (they aren’t – we’ve been countering their female-hatred and Lesbian-hatred for over forty years). Those of us who have continued being politically active have seen public feminism become so right wing/mainstream as to be almost meaningless. Politics do not necessarily improve as time goes by. Even politicians who were right wing extremists in the Sixties are now considered moderate.

I understand why the supporters of the trans cult want to discredit us – many of them even threaten to rape and kill us – because the truths we point out expose their lies and threaten their power. But why do some women who call themselves Radical Feminists also tell us to “retire”?  It’s for similarly arrogant reasons – to censor us because our radicalism threatens their privilege. Appearing radical is trendy, but truly radical politics reveals them to be more mainstream.

Of course it’s hard getting older, as health tends to decline (although I know Lesbians in their sixties and seventies with far more stamina and strength than some in their thirties and forties). Some older women will live longer than some younger because of growing up before food, air, and water were so polluted, and before nuclear age radiation existed. Modern GMO “food,” toxic soy, and food cooked and stored in poisonous plastic (soy and plastic are xenoestrogens) are damaging our bodies and minds, causing cancer, hormonal problems, depression and mental illness. Almost all younger women I know have health problems that were rare before.

The media spreads lies to get people to accept the unacceptable. We are told that people live longer now, but, except for infants and women in childbirth dying, that isn’t true, as death records show. People also had healthier lives. We are told that cancer and Alzheimer’s are genetically caused, but that would mean no increase over time. Those of us who lived sixty years ago know that cancer was so rare that a child with leukemia was on the evening television news, and no one had Alzheimer’s.

Dementia was also very rare and not assumed to be a common result of growing old. I lived in a very polluted industrialized area, knowing many old people in my enormous extended family and large neighborhood, yet my step-grandfather was the only person I remember who got cancer. It certainly was not one in three or two, like now.

Of course there are genetic vulnerabilities, but the real source of these epidemic illnesses is exposure to environmental toxins, (There is NO safe dose of radiation in spite of the propaganda. Stanford Medical School taught my Physician’s Assistant that 20 percent of all cancers are now caused by CAT scans. That is a horrifying one out of five.)

People now happily buy toxic products to pollute their homes and neighborhoods, with laundry fumes spewing from drier vents making our neighborhoods smell like factories.

And the medical system makes a fortune by “trying to find a cure,” instead of stopping what they know is the cause. It’s all about making the rich richer.

Younger people often don’t know the truth. A current myth is that fascist Reagan was a good president. Lies told often enough are believed – unless those of us who remember the truth tell it.

Barbara Macdonald’s (with Cynthia Rich) book, Look Me in the Eye: Old Women, Aging and Ageism, from 1983, is still the best book I’ve read about ageism, with that old Seventies direct, radical, and sensible Radical Lesbian Feminist politics that I rarely see now. The book began when Barbara was 62 and Cynthia was 41. Barbara described being so alone as an old woman in her community, treated as “other” by younger women.

Almost thirty years later, my experience is very different, though ageism of course still exists and younger women are clearly more valued. I see older Lesbians being dismissed with a glance, just as I see those with less privilege in other ways dismissed. Still, old and older Lesbians now have a huge loving community. We no longer have our bookstores, coffee houses, or bars, so we meet in public, het, or gay male spaces for a night. There is so much for older Lesbians that sometimes I have to choose between five events in one evening. One of my friends in her twenties likes to go to the dances where ages range from twenties to seventies. I also love that age diversity, especially when older is the majority.

I also object to ageism directed at younger women. When I hear someone called “immature” as an explanation for what I see women in their sixties doing, it’s clearly about choice and not age. It’s a shame when Lesbians automatically reject possible friends or lovers simply because of age. We have many differences among us, but I would like to think that all could be overcome with enough love for each other.

After the feminism of the last forty two years, it’s been a shock to see older Lesbians desperately trying to look young in ways that only accentuate their age. Some even have had plastic surgery, so I appreciate the handsome and beautiful old Lesbians who look comfortable in their skin, proud of who they are, happy to be with other old Lesbians.

Bio

I am a lifelong Lesbian, working class Butch, born in 1950. I began writing as a Radical Lesbian Feminist in 1970, when I found the San Francisco Bay Area Lesbian Feminist community. Iworked with Lesbian collectives, including on one of the first Lesbian Feminist conferences in the US, in 1972, the local women’s bookstore, Lesbian Coffeehouse, Dyke Separatist Gathering in 1983. I co-wrote and published Dykes and Gorgons in 1973, and Dykes-Loving-Dykes in 1990. My articles have been printed in For Lesbians Only, Lesbian Ethics, Mehr al das Herz Gebrochen, Finding the Lesbians, Lesbian Friendships, Lesbian Inciter, Sinister Wisdom, Hag Rag, Lesbian International, Lesbian Voices, etc.

 

About Bev Jo

I've been a Lesbian from my earliest memories and am proud to be a Lesbian. My life's work is defending Lesbian culture and existence against those who oppress us. Working-class, ex-catholic, mostly European-descent (with some Native American ancestry), from poverty class culture. Lifelong Lesbian, born near Cincinnati, Ohio in 1950. Became lovers with my first lover in 1968, became part of a Lesbian community in 1970, and became a Dyke Separatist in 1972. Worked on some of the earliest Lesbian Feminist projects, such as the Lesbian Feminist Conference in Berkeley in 1972, the newspaper “Dykes and Gorgons” in 1973, the women’s bookstore and Lesbian coffeehouse, and taught self defense to women and girls. Have published in several journals and anthologies, including “For Lesbians Only,” “Finding the Lesbians,” “Lesbian Friendships,” "Amazones d'Hier, Lesbiennes Aujourd'hui," “Mehr als das Herz Gebrochen,” the Journal for Lesbian Studies, Lesbian Ethics, and Sinister Wisdom. With Linda Strega and Ruston, co-wrote our book, “Dykes-Loving-Dykes: Dyke Separatist Politics for Lesbians Only” in 1990. Have been disabled since 1981 with ME/CFIDS (Myalgic Encephalomyelitis or Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome) or perhaps Lyme disease (who the hell knows) and MCS (Multiple Chemical Sensitivity.) I love nature and plants and animals -- and especially the animals who are feared and hated and killed by people who don't even know them, just as Lesbians are. I've learned to love rats especially, who I do not consider inferior to humans. I'm a spiritual atheist, but I've found out that there is definitely life after death because a little rat returned from the dead for three days to comfort us. These hated little animals are so kind and loving, and willing to die for someone they love. I say, in our fight to protect the earth -- distrust all "truths" we are taught by patriarchy. The true truth is often the opposite.
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32 Responses to Ageism – A Radical Lesbian Feminist Perspective

  1. Hannah says:

    I loved reading this. Thank you. The human race evolved because of wise older women. It’s no coincidence that the world is devolving when older women are ignored and invisibilised. I, too, despise the culture of youth-obsessed fuckability etc. It’s harmful and nonsensical. I’m so pleased to know that you are part of a rel-life vibrant Lesbian community! I hope it continues for years to come.

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  2. jane hathaway says:

    It’s so great to show how ageism is another patriarchal form of hatred, Bev; Ageism (among us) continues to need calling out. Though unfortunately I expect to be treated in a very ageist way in mainstream, heterosexist, het-dominated settings (I’m 59), it’s terribly hurtful when Lesbians are thoughtlessly ageist toward each other. (And I’ve noticed that the same ones who are ageist are often carelessly and horribly fat-hating, too). In my close community here, there are settings that aren’t welcome or open to old Lesbians, but there are wonderful groups that are welcoming and loving toward all.

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  3. Bev Jo says:

    Thank you, Hannah and Jane! Yes, ageism is part of looksism and fat-hating. I’m trying to update our chapter on both to be here soon. (I’ve been diverted by the fb groups.) Our East Bay older Lesbian group is over 500 now, and that is mostly suburban Lesbians! There are so many in this area. But most have come out quite late in life.

    What is interesting is that in this area, among the more liberal or progressive hets, is that a lot are old now, and I do recognize a kind of solidarity or acknowledgement from them about our sharing ageism. Even some of the men seem more respectful that I’ve experienced in the past. That was a surprise.

    But the ageism I see does often come back to fear — like with fat oppression and disability — a reminder to those in the more privileged position that that is or could be temporary privilege with these issues.

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  4. I enjoyed reading this, especially the part about health and how people are sicker today than they used to be.
    I would also add that statistics show that women are more likely to die in childbirth today than their mothers were because unecessary medical intervention in hospital leads to what is known as the “cascade of interventiona” resulting in a c-section. Developed countries with high c-section rates have a higher maternal death rate than those who hold back before they cut women open.

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  5. cascade of *intervention* , that was

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  6. Bev Jo says:

    Thank you. In our chapter on Motherhood, we warn how dangerous it is to the health and certainly doctors add to that. It’s all about money to them.

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    • Another contributing factor to the increase in maternal mortality is the cruel, vindictive, male-enforced decrease in poor and middle class women’s access to reliable birth control and abortion on top of the unrelenting cultural pressures to have babies. It’s part and parcel of the patriarchal shit train that has made rail meat of women’s bodies and lives for the past 6,000 years: women have no right to exist and no validation until “real” people come out of our vaginas and step all over our dreams.

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  7. 太神奇了!Shenqile! Brava!

    Thank you so much for this post, it’s AMAZING.

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  8. BevJo, the whole reason that the entire world has gone to hell in a hogcart is precisely because the whole world is patriarchal and discarding older women is necessary to maintain patriarchy. Older women are despised by men and by male supremacist systems because older women pose a threat to them. They pose a threat because younger women might learn the truth and start challenging the status quo. Keep women young and dumb, and have ’em pushing up daisies by age 40 from being worn out by childbearing. That’s the whole goal of patriarchy in order to keep old MEN in power.

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  9. Bev Jo says:

    I agree! Great to see you here, Jacqueline! Love your style! xoxox

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  10. SheilaG says:

    I also agree that men try to keep young women compliant and isolated from older women who could warn them about patriarchy. The same is true for marriage where the woman leaves her home to move into the alien male home, thus cutting off the woman’s entire support system. The whole system of patriarchy is about isolating women and girls, owning them, exploiting them, and devising hate systems to disempower old women or disgard them. Truth telling is what old women do; a huge threat to male supremacy.
    Old lesbians…. well, we have avoided living with the colonizers and rapists and plug uglies, a huge source of inner power. Imagine that— NO MEN, NO CHILDREN, FREE of those colonizing pigs, and we’ve stood up against them and loved women throughout all of it. We should be very proud Bev, and we are… three cheers for the women who refuse to collaborate!!!

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  11. Sally Archer says:

    Gratitude to Bev Jo, and all who comment here:

    It is comforting to find your living, organic words of inspiration online and not just receive the comfort from second-wave writers whose works made it into libraries in an earlier and less woman-and-lesbian-hating time (1970’s, for example, when the politically massed political heft of the women’s movement actually caused publishers to change their woman-erasing ways slightly, for awhile). This weekend I’d been re-reading Adrienne Rich’s “Of Woman Born,” a library book, and now here I am reading the brave, brilliant words of a lesbian radical feminist who always in adulthood knew who she was.

    I am grateful that you’re open to the philosophical concurrence of those like me who earlier tried the het-and-motherhood experience as a result of brainwashing, rapism and literally being sure dad would kill me if I didn’t. (Thank Whatever that there was only one child, a daughter, who even my love was insufficient to save from a current re-enactment of the Persephone-Demeter mythos. I only hope one day she’ll find blogs like this one.) Dad died and I am free at last to enjoy my extra pounds in my fifties and living with no man ever again.

    Thank you for confirming that socially and politically, we’re back to a horrific backlash from the male system in general, as this blog and your insights, Bev Jo, prove.

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  12. Sally Archer says:

    Applying thanks as in the prior comment, I still have a deep grief that so many women don’t identify as the global sex caste & don’t come together w/ woman-loving butches as the models of being free women & the leaders to make a revolution. But the will to survive is strong & most women display societal stockholm syndrome (see Dee Graham’s Loving to Survive). I can’t even find any radical feminists whatsoever in the part of north-central CA where I live — much less real butches instead of queer boi hard fems or labels I don’ even understand — and living in the diaspora is irritating me enough that I am getting big huevos about mouthing off to arrogant men I don’t even know in public places because I am furious that men have ruined women’s autonomy, appropriated lesbianism for manmade BDSM/porn culture, & despoiled the planet! I wish there were a women’s community here apart from Him or hims including gay men I like no more than their straight brothers. I post on CL to invite women to consciousness raising in the park & nobody responds. Yet random women I don’t know in public places discuss their fear & (often) loathing of men behind the anonymity of our not knowing one another’s names.

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  13. Bev Jo says:

    Welcome, Sally. It’s a shame we don’t live closer. What area are you in? I think there are more of us, but so many are afraid to say or don’t check lists. Don’t give up searching and let me know if you ever come down here.

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  14. julia says:

    Another great post!

    I always appreciate your writing – clear and powerful.
    I constantly correct men who call me ‘Miss’, which is so common today in 2012!
    I am almost 50 and have grwying hair and wrinkles from the sun so I look 49. I have pften corrected men in checkout lines and stores and explained that ‘miss’ means a gilr under 18.
    Of course, they argue, but some have changed and now just say ‘Have a Good Day’ or whatever, without a title.
    I often think about the ways men address each other with dignity (‘Sir’ or ‘Bro’).
    I prefer ‘Ma’am’ if a man is going to address me.

    I agree with Sally that it is so hard to find radical feminists in person, willing to meet face to face.
    I don’t even own a computer and you don’t connect online in the same way – it’s anonymous and un-commital. I even tried in the first year f the Radfem hub, but it didn’t work.

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  15. Bev Jo says:

    Thank you so much! When I told the gas station attendant who thinks he’s complimenting me by calling me “young lady” to stop, I asked if he’d like to be called that. It turns out he just likes being called by his name. But yes, all the terms for men are dignified and respectful.

    I’m always wanting to meet other Radical Feminists in person. Please let me know if you’re in this area, or travelling by. My impression of the hub was that it was not a very friendly group — or maybe that’s just because one of the only comments I tried to make there, to answer a Lesbian-hating comment, was not permitted. Three Lesbians that I know were not allowed to answer the comment, which remained.

    Anyway, it’s much nice to visit in person! Plus, we are organizing a Radical Feminist Gathering to meet separately at Fabulosa this year, in July 19 to 21, and I’m available to visit before and after. But really, come any time, and I’ll show you the community here.

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  16. S. says:

    iS IT TRUE THAT GALLUS MAG WAS SILENCED BY THE TRANS THOUGHT POLICE AND THEIR ASSORTED CRONIES?

    THE TRUTH CAN NEVER BE COMPLETELY SILENCED FOREVER. I WILL DEDICATE THE REST OF MY LIFE TO EXPOSING THE LIES PERPETUATED BY THE TRANS COMMUNITY. BELOW ARE A FEW OF MY CONCERNS.

    (1.) PUBERTY SUPPRESSING DRUGS THAT DELIBERATELY HALT NORMAL ADOLESCENT DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS A NORMAL PART OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT. IF CROSS GENDER HORMONES ARE GIVEN RIGHT AFTER PUBERTY SUPPRESSING DRUGS, FERTILITY CAN BE COMPROMISED. THIS IS THE DE-SEXING AND STERILIZATION OF CHILDREN.

    (2.) “T” OR TESTOSTERONE WHICH EVEN 16 AND 17 YEAR OLD GIRLS TALK ABOUT, AND SOME 16 YEAR OLD GIRLS ARE ALREADY TAKING. PCOS (POLYCYSTIC OVARIAN SYNDROME) IS ONLY ONE POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECT. DO PEOPLE REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE BODIES OF BIOLOGICAL FEMALES WERE DESIGNED FOR LONG TERM TESTOSTERONE USE?

    (3.) “TOP SURGERY” WHICH ESSENTIALLY AMOUNTS TO ELECTIVE MASTECTOMIES WITH THE SURGICAL WHITTLING DOWN OF AREOLAS AND NIPPLES. IN MANY CASES, THE NIPPLES AND AREOLAS ARE LITERALLY CUT OFF, RESIZED, THEN SEWN BACK ON. LOSS OF NIPPLE SENSATION IS POSSIBLE, AND EVERY NOW AND THEN THE NIPPLE GRAFT MIGHT NOT TAKE RESULTING IN LOSS OF A NIPPLE OR TWO.

    (4.) THE PRACTICE OF BREAST BINDING, ESPECIALLY ON DEVELOPING ADOELSCENT FEMALE BODIES AND SKELETONS. BREAST BINDING FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME CAN MIS-ALIGN RIBS AND CAUSE OTHER HEALTH PROBLEMS. THE TRANS COMMUNITY IS AWARE OF THIS. HOWEVER, THERE ARE WEBSITES THAT GIVE AWAY FREE BINDERS TO FEMALES UNDER THE AGE OF 21.

    (5.) THE CHEMICAL/SURGICAL STERILIZATION OF GENDER NON-CONFORMING GAY AND LESBIAN CHILDREN.

    (6.) THE MUTILATION OF HEALTHY FEMALE BREASTS AND GENITALS BY SOMETHING CALLED “TRANSITIONING” WHICH, BY THE WAY, THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY HAS ALREADY ADMITTED THAT:

    (a.) CULTURE, PEER PRESSURE MIGHT PLAY A ROLE IN ONE’S DECISION TO “TRANSITION”

    (b.) IT’S POSSIBLE TO REGRET “TRANSITIONING”

    (b.) AS TO FTM, INTERNALIZED MISOGYNY MIGHT PLAY A ROLE IN ONE’S DECISION TO “TRANSITION”

    PERHAPS THE READER SHOULD SEE EXACTLY WHAT “TOP SURGERY” INVOLVES. TO ME, THIS LOOKS LIKE A FORM OF VIOLENCE BEING CARRIED OUT ON THE FEMALE SEX.

    Dr. Daniel Medalie performs FtM top surgery (double incision mastectomy with nipple grafting)

    WARMING GRAPHIC VIDEO!PLEASE TAKE NOTE.IT’S CALLED FTM TOP SURGERY (DOUBLE INCISION MASTECTOMY WITH NIPPLE GRAFTING). THIS IS FTM “TOP SURGERY”.

    http://www.surgerytheater.com/video/6423/Dr.%20Daniel%20Medalie%20performs%20FtM%20top%20surgery%20(double%20incision%20mastectomy%20with%20nipple%20grafting

    PLEASE LOOK AT THIS VIDEO AND NOTICE THE PERFECTLY SHAPED MEDIUM SIZED BREASTS ON WHAT APPEARS TO BE A YOUNG FEMALE PERHAPS IN HER TWENTIES.

    I POSE THIS QUESTION TO THE READER. HAS THERE EVER BEEN A TIME IN RECORDED HISTORY IN WHICH THE MUTILATION OF FEMALE BODIES HAS NOT OCCURRED?

    (7.) “BOTTOM SURGERY” OFTEN REQUIRES MULTIPLE SURGERIES AND 6 TO 8 INCHES OF SKIN GRAFTS TAKEN FROM THE ARM OR OTHER PART OF THE BODY. THE EXTENSION OF THE FEMALE URETHRA HAS ITS OWN UNIQUE SET OF CHALLENGES. LOSS OF SENSATION IS A POSSIBILITY PROVIDED THE SKIN GRAFTS TAKE.

    (8.) I’M ESPECIALLY INCENSED THAT A HETEROSEXUAL, 45 YEAR OLD, EX-MILITARY MALE WASN’T ARRESTED FOR EXPOSING HIS PENIS TO A 17 YEAR OLD GIRL. THE ONLY REASON COLLEEN FRANCIS WASN’T ARRESTED FOR PARADING HIS PENIS AROUND THE WOMEN’S LOCKER ROOM WAS BECAUSE THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY WAS SUECCESSFUL IN REPLACING SEX WITH “GENDER IDENTITY”.

    (9.) ABOUT THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY ABOUT 6′ 5″ 180 LB. ROBERT (GABBIE) LUDWIG IS THAT HE SHOULDN’T BE PLAYING WITH COLLEGE AGE WOMEN. IT’S MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT THE TIME HE PLAYED ON A MEN’S TEAM DOESN’T COUNT TOWARDS THE TOTAL TIME HE IS ELIGBLE TO PLAY. IT’S A TRAVESTY AND A FARCE AND WE ALL KNOW IT.

    (10.) THE THREATS AND THE LEVEL OF UTTER MISOGYNY THAT THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY HAS DELIBERATELY USED TO INTENTIONALLY INTIMIDATE ANY WOMAN WHO DARES TO DISAGREE WITH THEM AMOUNTS TO HATE CRIMES AGAINST THE FEMALE SEX AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED. EXAMPLES:

    “…..You are such a weak little old hag of a bitch. Get raped by a bunch of niggers you old crow.”

    “You made this story up you fucking ugly OVER-THE-HILL sagging tits, fat ass ugly repulsive CUNT. You’re just jealous that you’re OLD AS HELL and can NEVER EVER transition successfully the way us young dudes do! We are the men you can never, ever be. Medical science, nanotechnology and genetic engineering is advancing in ways your tiny female, estrogen-dominant gossipy female brain can NEVER imagine. CUNT. And being 25 I will reap the benefits and you will just be a corpse. You’re not even masculine, this shit you’re doing here is totally female…gossipy manipulative psychological warfare. Why don’t you take your fat, over-sized, child-bearing hips sagging cottage cheese ass back in the kitchen and cook your disgusting wrinkled, obese crew-cut trainwreck you call a “girlfriend” another Swanson dinner you useless OLD HAG. KNOW YOUR PLACE and stop treading on us. Stupid useless cunt. No wonder there is so much misogyny…it’s because of bitches like you. Suck a fat one and get AIDS”.

    SOURCE:
    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2011/12/so-much-fear-and-hatred-from-this-trans.html

    “What I see here are typical asshole feminist bitches who know nothing about FTMs, what they go through mentally, physically and emotionally with their bodies and sense of self. …ugly ass cow. bitch, bitch….BITCH…fuggly ass dyke. Fuck off you bulldagging bitch.”
    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2012/08/ftm-where-self-hating-women-and-hatred.html

    “Pimp slap is not enough here: a nice home run swing to the head with a 38-oz Louisville Slugger is more in order. There’s no brains in her head to destroy to start with. It’s personal, and if I ever saw her in my windshield, I’ll be wiping blood off my white Buick. But I won’t be using the brakes.”.

    “I hope you die in a fire.”
    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2012/05/another-frightening-article-on.html

    (11.) I FORGOT THE “COTTON CEILING” WORKSHOP WHICH EXCLUDED FEMALE ASSIGNED AT BIRTH. THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY KNEW THAT THIS WAS OFFENSIVE, BUT THEY DID IT ANYWAY. LESBIANS MUST LEARN TO LOVE THE LADY STICK (TRANSWOMAN’S PENIS) WHETHER WE WANT IT OR NOT.

    SORRY FOR THE CAPS. I’M TOO ANGRY TO THINK RIGHT NOW.

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  17. Bev Jo says:

    I understand your anger….

    About Gallus Mag, I am very concerned. I know the trans cult sent her death threats constantly, but I also now wonder about one woman who pretends to be against the trannies, but who also has supported them and who has herself threatened Gallus and sent out her personal information, harassed her, and who has also tried to do harm to many others of us. There are a number of suspicious things going on. If Gallus was locked out of posting at her blog, then how was she able to post the 5 copies of that statement which really does not sound like her? And if she didn’t write and post that statement, which is being circulated, then who did?

    I hope we find out soon because a lot is not making sense, unless there is that other suspect who also has stolen posts from Gallus and who has tried to get her to shut down her blog and who is obviously eaten alive with jealousy and resentful that Gallus refused to let her post at her blog.

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  18. S. says:

    Bev, it does sound weird. I thought you had her email? There is something up at gendertrender, but it’s all stuff that is reblogged from another blog.

    When did you last contact her?

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  19. Bev Jo says:

    I do. She’s back, but her blog was attacked and frozen and her computer destroyed. She wrote to me yesterday again.

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  20. Lizzy Shaw says:

    It does annoy me when women my age who want to be feminist (and especially ones who are interested in radical feminism) treat older radical feminists like they were born yesterday and are over the hill simultaneously. I just wonder how they can forget that these older women are responsible for us having any rights at all. I do agree with other commentators that it is a patriarchal dividing tactic. It’s one of the reasons for the thought policing climate on tumblr (you must delete posts written by anyone who is a “terf” aka witch or else). Older women who might share their wisdom with younger women are a threat, hence all the ageism.

    I think in general, a lot of people believe the lie that things just constantly “progress” and get better on their own. Hence, why they think that their right-wing, lesbian-hating, and porn-loving “feminism” is better than true radical feminism. We can just look at history and see that nowadays political positions that would have been considered right-wing and insane a few decades ago are now considered moderate and reasonable. Reagan and Thatcher utterly destroyed the economies of the nations they were in charge of to help their rich friends, yet they are viewed as heroic in history textbooks. Also, my mother and her peers had much better access to abortion when she was my age. So no, things don’t just get better. They actual can and do get worse.

    That may have been a tangent, but I am just wondering if this progress fallacy is one reason why some young women are so ageist against older women.

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    • Bev Jo says:

      Nothing is a tangent and I agree completely. Don’t limit your ideas. You post wonderful comments.

      I see this re-write of history with right wing lies very much with health propaganda too, denying that cancer used to be rare and Alzheimer’s non-existent and dementia extremely rare. And no Lyme disease or even the ticks they injected with Borellia and the co-infections.

      Another reason for ageism, a friend reminded me after seeing a much younger but old friend after a long while, is the terror of being old themselves. Old women are so often used as the evil scary monster in the media, just as small innocent animals are used to terrify people. But for women, it’s being afraid of their own future selves. If they live long enough.

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      • Lizzy Shaw says:

        Thanks! Yeah, there are so many movies where a witch, aka an old woman is the villain. It is also common for when the villain is a man who kills/rapes/abuses women to have a sob story about how his mother (aka the old woman/witch) was mean to him as a kid, thus somehow excusing his actions. If abuse, especially sexual abuse made people into serial killers, then most women would be serial killers.

        That’s true. It’s also a fear of your future self, especially with how common things like cancer are now. Not that being young necessarily protects you from that though.

        It would not surprise me in the least if Lyme disease was accidentally or deliberately man-made. It is easy to genetically engineer bacteria. (That’s where most insulin for diabetics comes from. They used to have to get it from dead cows.) I made glow in the dark bacteria in a community college biology class once.

        Yep, the ageism is a divide and conquer thing. Your writings are excellent and coherent and I know they have helped a lot of people including me. The trans cult is very patriarchal so as a result they are very ageist, whether it’s men impersonating women who think they make better women than real women for being hyper-feminine or it’s the women impersonating men who think that they are hot because they are “androgynous” from taking testosterone they got at a young age. Ironically, women like them who take testosterone to try to be men will age much faster than women who don’t do that.

        That said, I do know some radical feminists around my age who are insightful and have bumped into older lesbians who have sold out to the trans cult. (Like the ones running Old Lesbians for Change who believe that lesbians should pay men with way higher salaries than us reparations because we did not let them fuck us.)

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        • Bev Jo says:

          The old woman as villain, especially in films meant for kids does tremendous damage. It’s permeated all parts of our cultures.

          The man in OLOC seems to be in charge of all emailing, but nothing has been reported on the survey about him, so I suspect that the majority do not want him there, and the few who promote him are as dishonest about that as they are about how they got him in against consensus.

          I agree! It’s a major trannie myth that there is an age divide among us. Radical Feminists come in all ages, and so do the collaborators.

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    • LakeLily says:

      My Grandmother and mother, after talking about the many many women they knew who’d been abandoned or abused by men in some way, would tell me never get involved with a man. Perhaps the man-worshiping feminists of today simply can’t abide the realistic views older women have of men? Most young feminists view older women who are bothered by porn and sex to be poor victims of a bygone misogynist age. That they unfortunately were too old and settled in their prudish ways by the time feminism finally came to set us all free to love porn and look like strippers. I think I owe my awareness to what’s really going on in the world to the fact I spent most of my free time with either my grandmother or my mother rather than with anyone my age.
      Recently a cousin-by-marriage visited with her mom and I was surprised that a women (her mom) who’d married into such a redneck republican right-wing family would have the views she did. She wasn’t old really but in her late forties and yet she’d changed. The idea that older women can’t be open-minded and can’t change their life styles is stupid. I think it’s just misogyny and people finding endless excuses for it. Dismissing someone “because of their age” is I guess a good excuse.

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      • Bev Jo says:

        It’s interesting, the differences. I became radical through Lesbians my age, not my horrible het female relatives. don’t believe that the women who worship men are really feminists, but more pretenders. My mother, like most women her age, thought of marriage as a form of prostitution, with being “taken care of” for services rendered, though my father didn’t want to have her services.

        Luckily, I avoided my porny grandmother (who had an obscene portrait of a woman movie star on her wall), as well as thinking anything my mother said was idiotic, because it was. (The other grandmother was a religious fanatic.). So these women did not influence me or I would have chose to waste my life being het and shallow.

        From my mother’s family, I didn’t see them having a realistic view of men at all. They always had to have one, no matter how abusive, for the status, if nothing else. And they certainly pushed me to be het. I couldn’t respect my family. My grandmother shot someone in a bar brawl, probably over a man. She’d run off with a travelling salesman and abandoned her eight kids, after turning her husband in for shooting a pheasant for them to eat (during the depression.) Perhaps that was so he couldn’t follow, but it meant that her kids (my mother was the youngest) would be put in rural foster homes to be sexually assaulted and made to work in the fields. My mother’s idea of advice was to find a rich man. Legal prostitution.

        The idea of the wild, passionate Lesbian Feminists I found in 1970 being “prudish” is odd and the opposite of the truth. No one is more passionate than a Lesbian in love. The het woman stereotype was “not tonight, dear” to avoid intimacy with the husband.

        The propaganda of het women happily being pornified came later, as a backlash to feminism, and I don’t know how many women really participated since the media lies. Just like most real women do not stagger around mincing on high heels all the time, but the media would have us believe they do. But still, what the het women do participate in is truly grotesque. Sado-masochism definitely added to the popularity of that.

        Patriarchy does try to divide us by age. Certainly the media pushes ageism, as well as the false division of feminism into “waves.”

        But what I’m seeing in reality is that many young Lesbians and Radical Feminists have the same politics and awareness than I have, across the earth, while many of the old Lesbian Feminists have sold out in various ways, including to the trans cult. We really are everywhere, with no real divide that I can see. If anything, there are more Radical Feminists now than in the Seventies. Of course there are a lot of pretenders too, who are obsessed with looking porny and het and male-identified feminine, but they are all ages also.

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        • LakeLily says:

          I don’t understand it. After all the talk of women they know who were treated badly by men my mom and Nan would right after talk about some woman who needed to lose weight or was gaining weight or who was looking older or who was ‘not meeting men’. And my mom asking me ‘you don’t shave you legs anymore’ or worrying over me not wearing skin-tight clothes. It’s one thing to betray your femaleness and female-kind for dudes who lie their way into being charming or who are good-looking in whatever way a man can be, but the losers women often fight or obsess over? It’s just annoying. It is hard to imagine any woman over thirty taking the trans cult seriously, with the exception of mothers, but I’ll take your word on it. I suppose it’s because the mtf’s are so youth obsessed they create that hipster image.
          Men get a kick out of watching young men and ‘new recruits’ screw up. There’s entire traditions in the military and sports and hunting trips where they set up some newby and watch him flail or get confused. Just because he isn’t as seasoned as they are. Also whenever a man talks about how war is unnecessary and harmful other men tell him he needs to grow up. That’s thrown around all the time; if you criticize porn they tell you to grow up, if you criticize capitalism they tell you to grow up. Accurate or not, children are associated with imagination, bluntness, and a sense of fairness (of the eye for an eye variety for boys) and I guess they just hate those things. And the instincts…those have to go to. I mean a five year old if you told her, perhaps even him, that near enough 2 in every three women (so they claim) is abused by men she would probably say gosh men are pretty dangerous. I admit I’m ageist in that I’ve always considered youth to be a bi-word for ignorance and foolishness.. And I had some selective sense of nostalgia for the good old days of whiskey drinkin’, cigar smokin’ and sitting in bars listening to what I call “real music”. But much like with ableism lesbian feminism has opened my eyes to a new way of thinking, or actually thinking at all, about ageism. Now I see I didn’t respect older adults I romanticized them. I don’t say crazy or idiot (and that used to be my favorite word) anymore, and now I’m going to try have more faith in women my age to not be shallow.

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          • Bev Jo says:

            It’s classic behavior of het women whose lives revolve around men. They do know how men rape and sexually assault, but it doesn’t matter because they are MEN, and they want a man of their own, and want you to have one too. Otherwise, “what would people think?”

            It’s pathetic. I even get trolled and manipulated into talking with “Radical Feminists” who want to confess being “attracted to guys.” These women all are using us.

            I’m not sure what you’re seeing, but I have never seen one of the multitudes of trannies having a “hipster” image. They just look like men in drag, or, at best, like old dowdy het women obeying male rules to the fullest (as depicted in the site “tranny or granny.”) This is another good reason for women to not wear makeup and to not look so het and Fem — it makes them look like trannies. Old women who look like Dykes never look like trannies and are handsome and dignified.

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          • KgSch says:

            “Confess to being attracted to guys?” What the frigs? How is that even a confession when literally all of mainstream society not only supports heterosexuality but gives it special privileges? This sounds like the setting of more bs about how lesbians have a duty to rescue het women.

            As for hipsters, the trans thing is mildly popular with hipsters, but even younger men who are claiming to be women do not seem that trendy and just look like ugly-ass dudes in wigs.

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  21. KgSch says:

    I have noticed the ageism thing a lot. Radical feminists are all “dinosaurs” for being old, but since I’m under 30 and a radical feminist, then I’m “too young to know any better.” I agree that radical feminism doesn’t have a generational divide because the basic politics are the same.

    I think it is very true that women lose privilege as they age but men gain it. My parents are middle-aged, but my dad is the one who gets treated with respect at Best Buy (despite knowing hardly anything about computers). Meanwhile, they try to rip off my mother even though she’s been using the internet since before the world-wide web was the world-wide web.

    I can’t say I can relate to worrying about my age, but I don’t look very old. The only thing that bothers me is that because I’ll be 30 in a few years, I’ve started to get snide comments about imaginary biological clocks (it is a myth!) and why haven’t I found a dude to breed with. It’s not because those comments hurt my feelings or anything, but because they’re annoying. I’m sure once I hit menopause, it’ll be “why don’t you regret not destroying your health with babies”. I guess I’ll also be a “dinosaur” then too.

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  22. Bev Jo says:

    Thank you so much. You’re right. It’s endless….

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